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    joeDec 6, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    The way you get rid of this problem is by not allowing computers in class. Very few people use them properly, and for the most part students get more out of physically writing down notes rather then typing them on a computer.

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    Mrs TigayNov 26, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Matthew,

    Great article! You bring up important issues and some interesting solutions. We have been battling this in the Middle School as well. As we are now one-to-one (and what fantastic opportunities that affords our whole community!), we see every day how hard it is for 7th and 8th graders to resist the all of the temptations (facebook included) having a laptop at their fingertips at all times brings. I wholly agree with your contention that students must learn to “draw a line between [their] social life and [their] school life…. in the classroom the student should be paying 100% attention to the lesson and nothing else. Students should not be able to choose whether or not they want to pay attention.” Well put!

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    23048Nov 22, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Celia, thank you for your thoughtful response.
    Unfortunately though, not every student is not as gifted in the field of academia as you are. I laud you on the ability to multitask but not all students have such abilities. Therefore, I see you as an outstanding outlier.
    By the way, it is great that you put status’s for the Turkey Drive up on Facebook just like I do for the Roar. But can’t that wait until students get home? Isn’t that where the sova is anyways? Notifying them at school kind of pointless.

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    celiaNov 18, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    I I used FB for school purposes today for the Turkey Drive. I set the “Milken Community Service” Page statues and I feel I reached more people. I use FB in many of my classes and still maintain really good grades. So I guess I just don’t understand why we can’t each be responsible for our own academic success. (BTW, I reading this during class. Should I not be allowed to access the Roar website either? just a thought…)

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    MattNov 17, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    fantastic thought michelle, thank you. I will certainly look into “self control”… i just wonder how the greater Milken population will find the will power to shut down their social life.

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    michelleNov 17, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    hey matt,
    i definitely see your point, that facebook is very distracting and costly. however, banning facebook on the server does not teach self discipline.
    macbooks have a lot of different applications, and one is called self control. you can temporarily ban various websites simultaneously while beginning to accomplish work. the program is called self control, and is something that allows me to focus and forget about facebook because it is not available to me. this program differs from complete elimination of a website, and offers me the choice of banning facbeook on my own personal computer when i choose, or not. perhaps milken students can invest in such a program, because it is free, and promotes self discipline on some level.
    just a thought!

    -michelle

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      GregoryFeb 28, 2011 at 5:35 pm

      Another thing that is better than the self control app which doesn’t waste your time downloading: Turning off your wifi.

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    David MoNov 17, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Before I comment, I want to thank Matt and the Milken Roar for bringing up this topic.

    Matt couldn’t have said it any better, facebook is a distraction. But the real question is that since students vary in their amount of discipline, should the school block facebook for everyone?

    As many of you may know, facebook has been banned at Milken before, but facebook has evolved into something more than a distraction tool but rather our technologic identity, something very vital in the 21st century.

    As we pass through the 21st century we will begin to find more benefits from tools such as facebook and youtube– even the milken roar, while simultaneously realizing that the school structure we’re in now is in fact a legacy system, out of date and ready for reconstruction. With reconstruction however comes discipline from not only students, but from teachers and and the administration. Many problems such as the facebook distraction will come into play as we move into the future, and it is self discipline, not artificial restrictions, that can solve a problem as such.

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    23048Nov 14, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    great point Alec, certain services should definitely be blocked during instructional periods.

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    Alec S.Nov 14, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    I mentioned an idea in the principal’s advisory that seems to solve your issues. Most universities have the ability to shut off wifi in their room only. Teachers at Milken with this option would be able to turn it off during lectures, and students would still be able to take notes. When it is time for group work and research, they can shut it back on. Makes the most sense to me., all parties win. Thoughts?

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      AlexNov 15, 2010 at 7:55 pm

      Alec,
      With all due respect, I think our classrooms are too close together for that to be an effective solution. What’s to stop someone from conecting to the second closest wifi repeater instead of the one within the classroom? Of course, this doesn’t even begin to take into account “MiFi” like devices and smartphone teathering a la the HTC Evo. I think that there is no technical solution that will eliminate the problems we face.

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    AlexNov 14, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    I don’t think it matters, to be honest. If Milken bans Facebook, kids will just use proxies. It’s as simple as that. If a change happens, it needs to happen through people, not computers. Computers are easy to bypass and only a real dialogue can change the way we interact with the web. Granted, we’re not so easy to change; but I feel that that’s the only way to actually get things done. The administration needs to work with us, not against us.

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    MattNov 13, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Joe I completely agree with everything you’ve said. I feel like an “all or nothing” policy should be put under consideration by the administration, but then again, wouldn’t students complain about not being able to do research?

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    Joe G.Nov 13, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Great article, Matt. I definitely believe that Milken students are much better off without the constant distraction of Facebook.

    I do feel, however, that banning Facebook on the Milken network is just placing a band-aid on the problem. Constant accessibility to technology has reduced the attention span of students everywhere, particularly in the classroom. If Milken bans Facebook, I have a feeling students would resort to fantasy sports, AIM, Skype, anything else on the internet to take their mind off whatever is being taught during class.

    I think if Milken decides to act on the internet problem, all or nothing is the best approach. Turn off wi-fi when class is in session, or leave it as is. Blaming Facebook for this huge problem is like blaming Bernie Madoff for American greed as a whole, or Matt Kemp for the Dodgers’ failure to make the playoffs. There’s just so much more involved.

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    MattNov 12, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Why are students “not paying attention during class” to start with? A main point I am trying to get across is, draw a line between your social life and your school life. Pardon me if i sound a bit tyrannical but in the classroom the student should be paying 100% attention to the lesson and nothing else. Students should not be able to choose whether or not they want to pay attention.
    You obviously misunderstood the point of the article if you believe my calculations are absurd. I was trying to emphasize a point by helping readers visualize the effects they are inflicting upon themselves and more importantly their families by using Facebook. My calculations are accurate, and if your myopia wishes to negate this valid argument then I fear you are not embracing the truth, friend.
    Andrew, lesn’t be naive and act as though Facebook isn’t the primary source of in class distraction. Rather than refute my stance, as a diligent student (which i know you are), acknowledge that there is a time for work and a time for play. That is all.

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      Andrew F.Nov 12, 2010 at 7:59 pm

      No need to be so feisty. Rawr 😉

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    Andrew F.Nov 12, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    I disagree with the banning of Facebook on the Milken servers, because if it is not Facebook that people are using to not pay attention during class (or to not get work done during free periods) it is another form of distraction.

    I also think it is a little absurd to be calculating the amount of money ‘wasted’ while on Facebook in relation to the tuition each student pays. What about real socializing, as in talking to your friends (not just merely poking them on Facebook)? How much time do students ‘waste’ socializing rather than doing their work during free periods?

    If the usage of Facebook is prohibited on the Milken servers, students will simply find another way to check their recent wall posts or to update their statuses. For example, my iPhone 4 sports a decent 3G connection that allows to check my Facebook without using a laptop. And although it is way more difficult to use Facebook on a phone during class, I promise you that there are a million more distractions that a laptop provides other than Facebook.

    I think that each person should be held accountable for their own learning. It’s just like cheating: yes, you will get a higher grade, but are you truly benefiting yourself in the long run? If I want to use Facebook during class, I’m only hurting myself. This is an issue that should be tackled personally between students and their parents and I do not believe Milken needs to do anything about it.

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